Counting the Uncounted: Azmat Khan and Anand Gopal on their groundbreaking civilian casualty study

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National Fellow Azmat Khan and Anand Gopal of ISP were interviewed by Airwars about reporting on civilian deaths and their longform piece, “The Uncounted.”

Three weeks after journalists Azmat Khan and Anand Gopal published a damning New York Times account of civilian deaths caused by anti-ISIS airstrikes, the Coalition has yet to respond publicly. The investigation represented the first large scale, methodical ground survey of airstrikes and the harm they have caused in the war, in this case from three areas of Northern Iraq targeted by the Coalition. Civilian casualties were found to be 31 times more likely than the alliance was admitting.
Airwars recently sat down with Khan and Gopal in New York City to learn more about how they carried out their investigation. Below are highlights from the interview, lightly edited for clarity.

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Azmat Khan is an ASU Future of War fellow at New America. She is an adjunct professor at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism's International Reporting program, a Logan Nonfiction Fellow at the Carey Institute for Global Good, and chair of the Overseas Press Club's Freedom of Press Committee.