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How Does Transformation Lead to Regression?

  Listen Time: 54:46

In this week’s episode of Politics in Question, Lee and James talk with their former co-host Julia Azari about the role of presidents in shaping of racial norms. Azari is a Professor of Political Science at Marquette University and author of Backlash Presidents (Princeton University Press, 2025).

How have presidents shaped racial norms? Why was President Andrew Johnson a “backlash president”? What role does Congress play in coalition-building and norm shaping? These are some of the questions Lee and James explore in this week’s episode.

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Lee Drutman
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Lee Drutman

Senior Fellow, Political Reform Program

James Wallner

Senior Fellow, Foundation for American Innovation

Julia Azari

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How Does Transformation Lead to Regression?